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I'm excited to share today's interview with Dexter Filkins, who's a long-time war correspondent,

and now a reporter at large for The New Yorker. He recently wrote a piece to answer a very big question.

Is the US ready for the next war? In search of that question,

Dexter traveled all over the world, from Israel to Taiwan to, of course, Ukraine, where he visited

a drone factory. Here's Dexter on how Ukraine became ground zero for drone warfare.

The Ukrainians on the route, really, they have invented basically a whole new way of warfare.

They build really cheap drones that are really, really accurate and really, really deadly,

and they build them by the thousands and the thousands and the thousands.

So last year, 2024, the Ukrainians built and deployed two million drones on the battlefield.

The moment the Russians start to move in any kind of numbers at all, they walk right into a wall of drones.

Yeah, I've actually seen videos of these drones.

It looks like a swarm. It really does.

And there are these insane stories about how Ukrainians are protecting themselves from drones.

In fact, old fishing nets from the south of France are being shipped to Ukraine and kind of put

over roads to basically prevent the suicide drones from hitting people and vehicles

on the roads. There's a great story recently in The Guardian about how proud the fishermen of

Provence are to be helping Ukrainians out with their old nets. There's also another detail

in the story which I found just absolutely mind-blowing, which is that drone operators in Ukraine

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