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I'm Kara Price here with Oz Voloshin. Hey, Oz. Hey, Kara. So I want to tell you a story about young me.

Okay. I grew up in New York and growing up, we lived in this small apartment and we had this little play kitchen for me.

Yeah. And of course, like it had all the fixings, but I guess because

it was a New York play kitchen, it had a telephone in it. So I was sort of playing at making

dinner for my family. And my parents recall this story of me going into the kitchen and picking up the phone and calling for

Chinese takeout. That was you making dinner in the playhouse. Exactly, exactly right.

Were your parents embarrassed or were they like she's, the apple does not fall far from the tree.

There are things that I said as a kid that they embarrassed them. That was not one of the things because the truth is that we mimic our parents' behavior and that's what my parents did. They ordered in. So there's a reason that I've told you this story. I recently talked to Ellen Cushing, who's a staff writer at the Atlantic, who primarily writes about food and food trends. And she shared with me

this kind of pun intended hot take. I think that delivery and what delivery apps have done to

restaurants is the single biggest change in food, basically since I've been alive?

I actually have some more firsthand observations about this because my stepfather owns a restaurant in London and I watched firsthand the delivery DoorDash Uber Eatsification of his

restaurant. He was actually a pioneer of doing high-quality restaurant food delivery

for an Italian restaurant in London in the kind of mid-2000s. And then these tech platforms

came along and it went from quite a significant share of the business back down to a very small

share because the margins they take are so much that it's basically not worth

it's not really worth doing unless your business is totally optimized for it.

Yeah, I think it's something that if like you've ever been to a restaurant, you obviously

think about. But I wanted to talk to Ellen because she demystified the sort of how and why

delivery apps have overtaken the food industry. And actually, like, what really struck me about our conversation

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