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It ended in the disaster that we saw at Kabul Airport.

Hundreds of Americans left behind, well over a thousand Americans left behind, tens of thousands of Afghan allies left behind,

and 13 Americans killed and dozen wounded in that devastating

ISIS-Terrorist attack.

This is your host Scott Bertram.

And that's Jerry Dunlevy, co-author of the new book, Kabul, the untold story of Biden's

fiasco and the American Warriors who fought to the end.

We'll talk with Jerry and his co-author

James Hassan a little later on in today's program for an in-depth interview on the book.

First, we're joined by Dr. Adam Carrington, Associate Professor of Politics and William and

Patricia Lamoth chair in the U.S. Constitution at Hillsdale College. Dr. Carrington, thanks

for joining us. Good to be here. Thanks for

having me again. Continuing our conversations on the U.S. Supreme Court's most recent term and some of

the decisions handed down during that time. This one not near the end of the term, but a little bit earlier,

Sackett v. EPA. And this concerns one of my favorite terms because it has been

discussed nearly nonstop the past decade or so. We know about flotus and we know about SCOTUS,

but WOTUS, Waters of the United States. Where has the controversy come in in the interpretation

of this term waters of the United States?

It comes from the Clean Water Act, which is one of the major environmental policies of the last 50 plus years.

And it gives the national government and particularly the EPA regulatory power over what are

considered waters of the United States. So then one must ask when one sees a particular body of

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