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The Story Behind The Largest Dam Removal In U.S. History

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4.46.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 October 2025

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Summary

A new book goes behind the scenes of the removal of four dams along the Klamath River, and the massive restoration effort that’s followed.

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Flora Lichten, and you're listening to Science Friday.

0:07.3

Today in the show, we are taking you behind the scenes on the biggest damn removal project in U.S. history.

0:14.6

And what's happened since?

0:16.4

I thought, oh my gosh, my nation is still at war with the U.S., and we've got to do something about this.

0:27.9

The Klamath River runs from southern Oregon to California, and right now it is the site of a monumental restoration experiment.

0:37.0

The river used to be a top salmon run until a series of dams were installed around 100 years ago,

0:42.7

and salmon populations tanked.

0:45.4

This is the prologue to a really remarkable story about a coalition that fought to restore the river,

0:53.2

led by members of the Uruk and Karuk nations

0:56.0

who've lived along the river for millennia, a group of lawyers, biologists, and activists

1:01.5

successfully lobbied for the removal of dams. The fourth dam was removed last year. It was the

1:08.1

biggest dam removal project in U.S. history. Here to tell us the story and

1:13.5

what's happened since are Amy Bowers Cordales, legal counsel for the Iraq Nation, and author of the

1:19.3

upcoming book, The Water Remembers, which chronicles this effort to get the dams removed, and Barry

1:25.2

McCovey, Jr., director of the Iraq Tribes Fisheries Department.

1:29.3

Amy, Barry, I want to welcome you both to Science Friday.

1:31.9

Thanks for having us.

1:33.4

Yeah, thank you.

1:34.9

Okay, Amy, take me back to 2002.

1:38.4

It sounds like this was a turning point for you.

1:41.9

It was.

1:43.0

I was on a different career path and I was in college and I was home

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