It's the end of a long workday, and I'm in the mood for a beer. But I don't actually want the

alcohol. I just want the taste and the feeling of drinking a beer. I want that emotional

relaxation. So I'm trying out a beer from Athletic Brewing Company.

Athletic Brewing is one of our sponsors.

They make non-alcoholic craft brews.

Oh, that's good.

This is their all-out stout.

And I really like dark beer.

But this is really nice.

It's a little nutty.

If I didn't know that this was non-alcoholic, I would never have guessed.

It tastes just like a really nice, tasty stout.

And as for the emotional relaxation I was craving, I wasn't sure if non-alcoholic beer would do the trick, but it totally did.

For 20% off your order of non-alcoholic beer from athleticbrewing.com, just enter the promo code Out There 20 at checkout.

That's Athleticbrewing.com promo code Out There 20.

Hi, I'm Willow Belden and you're listening to Out There, the podcast that explores big questions through intimate stories outdoors.

When you're doing a long-distance hike, chances are you don't enjoy the parts where you have to walk on roads.

Asphalt is hot, it's tough on your joints, and you're out there to enjoy the wilderness,

not to breathe in exhaust fumes from passing cars.

But sometimes the edges of roads can offer powerful lessons.

Turns out, road walking has just as much capacity to change us as traversing alpine ridge lines.

On this episode, a woman named Kitty Galloway tells the story of something that happened at the side of a highway in Idaho, which shifted her worldview.

...