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Hello and Merry Christmas and welcome to the Stay Healthy edition of Slate Money, your guide to the business and finance news of the week.

It's very merry and special week that it is.

I'm Felix Salmon of Fusion.

I'm joined, as always, by Slate's Moneybox columnist, Jordan Weissman.

Happy Festivist, Merry Christmas, and all that to our listeners.

And Kathy is away this week, sadly, but we are super excited to have the one and only Harold Pollock on the show this week. Hi, Harold.

Hi, it's great to be here. So Harold is someone we've been wanting to have on for a very long time.

He's flown in from the University of Chicago, where you are a professor of what?

Social Service Administration.

Which sounds less interesting than it actually is.

I think, I think just, you know, the proper way to describe Harold is King Policy Wonk.

How is awesome in the Wonk in the Wonk of us?

And we wanted to have him on the show for a very long time because we love to wonk out about policy matters.

But we were holding out until he had a book to plug.

And now you have a book to plug.

What's your book, Carol?

I do. It's called the index card. And it's co-written with Helene Olin. And it's a great guide,

we think, to help people in an everyday way understand how to manage their finances better. And so

I'm very passionate about the topic, and I'm looking forward to talking about it.

So how old kicked this index card thing off? Literally by scribbling down some things on an index card.

We're going to talk about that in the second.

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