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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

The State of the Taliban with Anand Gopal

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW, Chris Hayes

Msnbc, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Government, Politics, Chris Hayes, Why Is This Happening?, Withpod, Versant, Ms Now, News, Society & Culture, Versant Media

4.69.1K Ratings

🗓️ 8 February 2022

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Since the U.S. withdrew its final troop from Afghanistan last summer, U.S. coverage of the country has also precipitously declined, even as the country faces a dire humanitarian emergency. So we thought it was time to do a gut check with one of the most prolific reporters on the topic. Award-winning journalist and author of “No Good Men Among The Living,” Anand Gopal, has covered global conflict and the Middle East for more than a decade. In 2021, his reporting took him to Helmand Province, the epicenter of conflict in the war-torn country. His experience there led him to write “The Other Afghan Women,” one of the most comprehensive reports about the plight of women in the countryside. Gopal’s work has appeared in outlets including The New York Times, The Atlantic, Harpers and in The New Yorker, where he currently covers war, revolution and democracy. He joins to discuss his latest experience on the ground, the Taliban’s rapid rise to power, how and where the war on terror continues to be waged and the long-term prospects for the Afghan people under Taliban rule. Sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts to listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads. You'll also get exclusive bonus content from this and other shows. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

We as Americans didn't really pay attention to Afghanistan for a long time

0:04.2

And I think part of the reason is because we are

0:06.7

trained in some way to think about the war of goddess on orrocks when something really goes awry

0:13.3

When there's a major massacre when there's a war crime that's committed in fact most of the war of goddess on it wasn't war crimes

0:21.0

Hello and welcome to the 200th episode of Wise This Happening with me your host Chris Hayes

0:33.3

It is very hard to believe that we have published 200 episodes that we've been doing this for over three years now

0:38.8

And I have to say you know this podcast started a bit on a lark kind of side project a way of scratching a certain kind of intellectual

0:46.9

Itch that had been developing over time and ability to kind of read deeply on topics engage deeply on topics

0:53.5

And I've just learned so much it's been such a delight for me for the last three years

0:59.1

There's so much more that I know now so many

1:02.6

Topics that come up in the news that I think to myself all right like I have my bearings on that at least a little bit because we did a with that on it

1:09.8

So be sure to keep an eye out on the with pod feed later today

1:14.8

Because we asked you all to help us celebrate and you certainly did and we're gonna have a little special bonus showing up near feed later

1:24.0

We've talked a number of times on the show about Afghanistan and if you'll indulge a little bit of a media critique from someone in the media for a second

1:31.8

There's something kind of maddening about the coverage of Afghanistan, which is that

1:37.2

And I'm gonna implicate myself here because I surely have not covered it as much as I probably should have over these years

1:43.0

But basically the war ground on in the background for 20 years it very rarely made the front pages

1:48.5

There were incredible reporters who were there for all the major newspapers and the native wire services and I like doing amazing work

1:55.2

So it wasn't that there weren't journalists doing the work there were

1:58.9

But in terms of like the emphasis of TV news cable news network news the news cycle

2:04.6

It tended to be pretty remote from American discussion of politics. It was a huge source of frustration to

2:10.2

Veterans of the war

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