The State of the Church (Raymond Arroyo) | Ep. 546
Pints With Aquinas
Matt Fradd
4.8 • 6.2K Ratings
🗓️ 15 October 2025
⏱️ 146 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Matt interviews Raymond Arroyo—host of EWTN's "The World Over," New York Times Best Selling author, award-winning producer, chart topping vocalist and broadcaster, and podcast host. The conversation touches on the papacy (specifically the differences between JPII, Benedict XVI and Francis), Vatican II, what Mother Angelica was like in-person (and he does the BEST imitation of the Reverend Mother's voice), Pope Leo's stance on the TLM, and much more.
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| 0:00.0 | I walk in and there's John Paul alone on the pre-due facing the altar. |
| 0:04.0 | And it kind of took your breath away. |
| 0:08.0 | It's like walking in on Moses talking to the bush, okay? |
| 0:10.0 | It was like that kind of, there was something in the air. |
| 0:13.0 | It was still. |
| 0:14.0 | If the second Vatican Council, let's focus on the Council, |
| 0:17.0 | if that's the focus, wouldn't we turn to the people who were there to clarify |
| 0:23.1 | what was done, what was intended, where we are to go now? |
| 0:26.6 | I think there's going to be a lot of people who get, they do get upset when we talk about |
| 0:31.5 | the chaos in the church. And I think it's partly because the culture is so chaotic that we are |
| 0:36.5 | in desperate desire. |
| 0:38.0 | We are desirous of a place of refuge. |
| 0:40.0 | Yes. |
| 0:40.7 | And you have to understand Mother Angelica. |
| 0:42.8 | Simple girl, Canton, Ohio, grew up in a slum, an Italian and African-American slum. |
| 0:50.2 | And when I say she loved Jesus, she loved him with the Italian passion of Sophia Loren. |
| 0:59.0 | This was a love affair, but in her gut. |
| 1:03.0 | So when you offended him, it wasn't some esoteric theoretical thing that she had on the shelf, |
| 1:11.0 | like a picture and oh, you know, you put paint on the picture |
| 1:13.8 | and goes, oh, we'll clean it off. |
| 1:15.3 | No, no, no. |
| 1:16.4 | This was deeply felt. |
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