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The meat. than me Hello and welcome to Better Off Line.

This is the second episode of Better Off Live,

the live to tape show that I do whenever I travel,

and I pick up wonderful people,

like my good friend, Mike Isaac from the New York Times, who joins me today, and of course,

Kylie Robeson, the one for Kylie Robeson from The Verge. Thank you both for coming.

Thanks for having me. Thank you.

And today is, and I'm definitely checking the date on my phone, Friday the 19th of July,

so nothing big has happened today other than everything breaking. So, for those of you listening, this is likely going to come out after the CrowdStrike episode. I had to write the moment I got back from breakfast until the moment I left for this episode. And there will be a full explainer there. I'm not going to do this. And again, this will be after it, so I don't know why I'm even saying that.

But we're in a weird time in the tech industry. It feels like we are watching, at least I think,

the end of the world on some level. We're watching the institutional failures that are just creating more and more problems.

And then also we're watching Open AI on the other side, just like every two days, be like, yeah, there's five levels of reasoning.

And we are on number one, which is just a very annoying chat bot that sometimes knows things.

And level two will be when it's a smart computer and then level five, but it's smartest computer of all time.

Or without like an actual product people really care about. It just feels strange.

I feel weird right now. And I'm pretty weird anyway.

I'm just waiting for them to be

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