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This is On Point. I'm Megyn Chakrabardi.

Today, we're sitting down with retired federal judge J. Michael Ludig.

He served as a judge on the fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals from 1991 to 2006.

He was appointed by President George H.W. Bush. And prior to that, Ludig served as

assistant counsel to President Ronald Reagan. He clerked for then-Judge Antonin Scalia and clerked as well

at the Supreme Court for Justice Warren Berger. He was also Assistant Attorney General under President

George H.W. Bush. Judge Ludig, welcome back to

on point. Thank you, Magna. It's a pleasure to be here, as always. Now, you have been called one of

the Trump administration's most vocal and perhaps persuasive conservative legal critics. And in recent

op-ed in the Atlantic that was headlined,

the end of the rule of law, I just want to read how you ended that piece. You ended it with a

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