I'm Shillin'

I'm Shillin' Fantasy, and this is the big picture, a conversation show about Star Wars.

It's May the 4th,

which is the best possible opportunity to talk about a year-old season of television. That's right.

We're finally digging into Andor's Season 2 and putting it in the hierarchy of Star Wars movies

and TV shows, helping me to do so as my pal, the number one Tony Gilroy Whisperer in the land, Chris Ryan. Thanks for having me. We will dig into the show, rank the movies, talk about the future of this beloved franchise right after this. Well, may the fourth be with you, Chris. How are you feeling? You as well, man. Thank you. I know this is a big holiday for both of us. It is. But it's cool to honor it in this way. Do you believe in the force?

No. And I think Andor kind of brush that aside. Is any kind of like childhood sort of like attachment to some of the stuff in Star Wars? Like you watch Andor and you start to see it as a lens for which to view reality and review history.

Let me, let me share a little bit of my personal experience with you and how it connects to Andor.

So over the last 10 years and especially the last five years, you have seen me evolve or devolve into a person who has less and less of a relationship to television. You host the signature television pod

in the universe, the watch. I don't know about that, but thanks. That's my opinion. Okay. And that show,

you know, you have to watch a ton of TV. And so every once in a while, and increasingly less so, you'll say, like, hey, do you check this out or what did you think of this?

Yeah, usually for its cinematic value or something genre that I think you're going to just respond to.

Right.

You've always been very generous in that way with recommendations or just being curious about what someone thinks about something.

And I did watch the first season of Andor effectively while it aired, but you started sending me messages about Andor season two because you were watching it. You and Andy were covering it on the watch. And I was like, yeah, I'll get to it. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. And last year was particularly busy on the big picture. We did the 25 for 25 thing. and we were coming out of a long Academy Awards season,

and I felt like I had a lot of catching up to do on movies. And so, you know, and or season two aired essentially a year ago. Started airing at the end of April of 2025. And I never got around to it until January. And I watched it earlier this year after much prodding from you.

And then a lot of people, I think people heard me say on shows that I hadn't watched it yet.

Yeah.

That was starting to become like Bill's Big Lebowski thing or something like that, where you're like, I know it's going to be great and I'm going to love it.

Right.

Can I just maybe simulate the experience of loving it? But sometimes that can be very dangerous to raise expectations like that and to have so many people that you trust and so many people you don't even know say like, you're going to love this. This is so in your wheelhouse. And I was so delighted for it to be in my wheelhouse. I knew what it was going to be because of season one.

And I think there's an interesting conversation about season one versus season two.

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