Welcome everyone to another monthly episode or so

of the stakes our interview podcast hosted by Michael Anton

where he talks to interesting thinkers and writers

usually in the Claremont orbit about various topics

both philosophical and political.

Mike of course is a lecturer in politics

and research fellow at Hillsdale College's Kirby Center

in Washington DC.

Also a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute.

You'll find him off and writing for the Claremont Review

of Books and for the American Mind.

And this episode he sits down with executive editor

of the American Mind James Pullis

and they talk about Mike's recent essay

from about three weeks ago or so maybe a little more than that,

maybe a month ago.

On a spiritual warfare in Machiavelli,

what can we learn from Machiavelli for our times now?

So they talk about that, they talk about

priestly authority, corruption,

they talk about regime decay, technology,

all kind of through the lens of Mike's article

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