The SSPX, Vatican II, and the Liturgy Wars (Jacob Phillips) | Ep. 585

Pints With Aquinas

Matt Fradd

Religion & Spirituality, Education, Christianity

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🗓️ 29 June 2026

⏱️ 125 minutes

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Catholic theologian Jacob Phillips is here to discuss papal authority, the SSPX's looming schism over unauthorized ordinations, liturgical division between the Novus Ordo and Traditional Latin Mass, and the broader crisis of institutional trust facing the modern Church. Ep. 585 Theotokos Rosaries: https://dwplus.shop/TheotokosRosaries -- -- -- 📚 Resources Mentioned: Jacob Phillips: https://jacobphillips.net Truthy 30 Day Free Trial: https://get.truthly.ai/TlbX/MATT30 - - - Today’s Sponsors: Quo: Try QUO for free + get 20% off your first 6 months when you go to https://Quo.com/PINTS Exodus 90: Download the Exodus 90 app to start your 14-Day free trial or visit https://Exodus90.com/matt to learn more. Charity Mobile:Visit https://charitymobile.com/MATTFRADD to get started. Free Phone offer with code MATTFRADD Hallow: Deepen your personal relationship with God today. Visit https://hallow.com/MattFradd to get 3 months free. St. Paul Center: Start your 30-day free trial today at https://StPaulCenter.com/pints - - - Become a Daily Wire Member and watch all of our content ad-free: ⁠⁠https://www.dailywire.com/subscribe⁠⁠ 📲 Download the free Daily Wire app today on iPhone, Android, Roku, Apple TV, Samsung, and more. - - - 📕 Get my newest book, Jesus Our Refuge, here: https://a.co/d/bDU0xLb 🍺 Want to Support Pints With Aquinas? 🍺 Get episodes a week early and join exclusive live streams with me! Become an annual supporter at 👉 ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://mattfradd.locals.com/support⁠⁠⁠⁠ - - - 💻 Follow Me on Social Media: 📌 Facebook: https://facebook.com/mattfradd 📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/mattfradd 𝕏 Twitter/X: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/Pints_W_Aquinas⁠⁠⁠ 🎵 TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠https://tiktok.com/@pintswithaquinas⁠⁠⁠ 📚 PWA Merch – ⁠⁠⁠https://dwplus.shop/MattFraddMerch⁠⁠ 👕 Grab your favorite PWA gear here: https://shop.pintswithaquinas.com - - - Privacy Policy: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.dailywire.com/privacy⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:29.8	I know that the orthodox arecism, but it's not been made clear at all that the SSPX
0:34.9	rancism. Isn't it the church's responsibility to be really clear about that?
0:39.0	I understand Catholicism to be universal. If at any point you draw a line and say, this has ceased to be Catholic,
0:44.9	that's where you cease to be Catholic. Well, then what do you say to those who would draw that line
0:48.7	around the SSPX and say, this isn't Catholic? They are planning on ordaining bishops without people approval, not
0:55.7	just without people approval, but in direct opposition. It's an inflammatory thing to say that
0:59.8	will not go down very well, but to me it's just, it's just Protestantism. How should we assess,
1:05.1	just to sum it up, Pope Francis's pontificate? Can we just say it was a bloody mess and he was a terrible pope?
1:11.6	Or is that inappropriate to say?
1:13.6	Imagine if a Novus Novus Ordo was implemented.
1:17.6	And the Novus Novis Order was as different from the Novus Order as the Novus Order as the
1:20.6	the Novus Order is from the Latin Mass and in the same direction.
1:23.6	People would rightly lose their freaking minds.
1:26.6	Yeah. And I'd very uneasy when people talk
1:29.3	about leaving or joining the Novus Order. And they say, well, so-and-so join the Novos Auto, this kind of thing.
1:34.0	That's a Novos Auto church. You know, why don't you like that?
1:53.0	Your accent, your accent's just close enough to mine that I might end up sounding like you by the end of this. Yeah, I find the Australian accent a little bit contagious.
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