You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience.

And maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

We're going to see. So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds. We had flown up on a military plane and this door sprung open.

You walked into this wall of heat and light, its most incredible glare.

And out of the dust, this man appeared.

And he was this very sort of flamboyant character.

He was a strange sort of roguish mixture, really.

I knew that he was not someone to be taken lightly.

That one had to be careful around him,

and I in particular had to be careful around him.

In 1989, on the hot tarmac of an airstrip,

Sue Dobson met the colonel.

He was a South African security officer,

working for the brutal apartheid state.

And Sue was supposedly working for the government too,

but in reality she was a spy,

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