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The Spy Who

The Spy Who Outplayed Nixon | The Rise of China’s Intelligence Machine | 4

The Spy Who

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4.6891 Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

How did one CIA mole tip the scales of power between two superpowers? Investigative journalist Bethany Allen exposes the hidden world of Chinese espionage operations in America - from Larry Chin's decades-long infiltration of the CIA to the sophisticated intelligence network that emerged in its wake. In conversation with Bond author Charlie Higson, Bethany reveals how a single Cold War security breach evolved into a vast system of global influence, and examines the modern landscape of China's espionage capabilities today.


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0:00.0

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0:05.7

Join Audible today by downloading the Audible app.

0:11.0

I'm James Bond novelist Charlie Higson, and this is The Spy Who, an audible original.

0:20.6

Hiding in plain sight, Chinese super spy Larry Chin infiltrated the very heart of US intelligence

0:27.2

for 37 years.

0:30.3

His breach would set in motion China's meteoric rise to global power and shape the course

0:36.5

of geopolitics today.

0:38.7

But this wasn't just one spy.

0:41.2

It marked the beginning of something much larger,

0:44.4

the explosive expansion of China's intelligence machine,

0:48.5

a machine that would embed itself far beyond the shadows of the Cold War.

0:53.6

In today's episode, we're going to pull back the curtain on decades of espionage.

0:59.0

And for this, I'm joined by investigative journalist Bethany Allen.

1:04.0

Bethany has spent 10 years exposing the world of Chinese intelligence,

1:09.0

and what she's uncovered will make you rethink how power moves through the world of Chinese intelligence, and what she's uncovered will make you rethink how power

1:12.4

moves through the world. Today, we're going deep. The history, the tradecraft, and what Beijing's

1:20.9

spy game actually looks like right now. Welcome, Bethany. Thank you so much for joining me. Can we just start with your own

1:34.8

experiences? Because you've had your own run-in with the Chinese government, haven't you? Can you tell us

1:39.2

about that? Sure. So I've worked on China-related issues for almost 20 years, about 12 of those as a journalist. In 2018, I was hired by Agents France Press to be their China correspondent. I waited six months for a journalist visa and then heard informally or unofficially, but officially via China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs

2:02.8

that I would not be granted a journalist visa.

2:06.3

And to quote them, they said to AFP,

2:09.7

if you want to hire for this position, put forward a different name.

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