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This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka.

That is me speaking to you from our Vox Media headquarters in New York City.

Very excited to have Brian Curtis on from The ringer. We're going to go over his

entire bio, but I think of them as someone I fanboy out about a lot. I've been trying to get him here

for weeks, months, years. Here he is. Welcome, Brian. I'm so difficult to get. No, I'm thrilled. This is

the big time. This is two white guys talking about media. Oh my gosh. How rare in media to hear this kind of conversation?

Brian is a really one of my favorite writers, writes about the media business, writes about sports, sports media.

Now has a podcast about media, which is now twice a week.

So kind of get off my block, Brian.

But welcome.

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