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Faith Matters

The Spiritual Practice of Speaking Up: A Conversation with Cynthia Winward & Susan M. Hinckley

Faith Matters

Faith Matters Foundation

Christianity, Ethics, Latter-day Saint, The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, Mormon, Mormonism, Morality, Lds, Philosophy, Religion & Spirituality

4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 October 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

We sometimes reduce “faith-promoting” stories to those tidy endings—where miracles show up just in time, doubts vanish, and testimony replaces tension. But sometimes growth begins when the script falls apart. For Susan Meredith Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, these stories are nourishing a faith that looks like trust and transformation. Susan and Cynthia are co-hosts of the At Last She Said It podcast and authors of a new book with the same title. They came to this work from different pa...

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0:00.0

Hey everybody, we're so excited to tell you about a new faith matters initiative called

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Organized Intelligence. This is supported by the Future of Life Institute, and we're bringing

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together Latter-day Saint Voices from across disciplines to explore the ethical, social, and spiritual

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dimensions of AI. Our first gathering will take place November 4th and 5th in Salt Lake City,

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where you'll hear from scholars, creatives, technologists, and religious leaders. This is a gathering for curious minds, and we would love to see you there.

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Go to organizedintelligence.a.ai to RSVP.

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Hey everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters. We sometimes reduce faith-promoting

0:33.3

stories to those that have tidy endings, where the miracle shows up just in time, doubts vanish,

0:38.5

and testimony replaces tension. But sometimes growth begins when the script falls apart. And for

0:44.6

Susan Meredith Hinkley and Cynthia Winward, these stories can nourish a faith that looks like

0:48.9

trust and transformation. Susan and Cynthia are co-hosts of the at last she said a podcast

0:54.0

and authors of a new book

0:55.3

with the same title. They come to this work from different paths. For Cynthia, the church just worked.

1:00.5

She thrived until her life took a turn at age 40 and certainty unraveled. And for Susan,

1:06.0

the discomfort was quieter. She says the church always fit like an itchy sweater, a subtle, persistent misfit that

1:11.7

kept her silent. But over time, what had become a crisis of silence became a call to speak up.

1:17.9

And so for the past six years, Susan and Cynthia have been inviting women into conversations

1:21.9

that began as honest exchanges between friends about big ideas and the real tensions of belonging

1:27.3

to a church that

1:28.1

they both love and feel challenged by.

1:31.0

And what they've learned is that talking about hard things can be its own kind of faith practice,

1:35.3

a way to bring your whole heart to your faith and your community, and a way of being known.

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