And the So, Ptoch if you wouldn't mind just introducing yourself who you are and where you come from.

I am Petuich. Gilbert is my last name and from Aukama Aago in southwestern United States, particularly in New Mexico.

So you have been a very prominent figure within the anti-nuclear movement in New Mexico.

How did you get started in that particular struggle.

You know, in thinking about it, I was never always very outspoken activists.

I think I wanted to be, I needed to be, but I didn't want to

accept the responsibility, I believe. I've done a lot of things, yeah. I'm a recovered alcoholic. And when I stopped drinking in

1975, I really realized that my responsibility was to be at home in my community of Akama.

And I suppose it was a responsibility I avoided for all those years. I stopped drinking when I was about 30.

I can't remember the exact year.

And so I really then immerse myself in community life and accepted responsibility of being a good

Acuma man. And I saw my role as protecting my homeland, my people, the

culture. And but I also saw my role as to being in this outspoken person about who we are as indigenous people, particularly, specifically my tribe, Akama.

And I've tried to live that.

And it's a very, almost a delicate way

because you're almost going down a middle path.

You're rejecting and really unspoken against this colonial

culture that dominates our way of life, but yet also realizing who we are in a modern day sense of who are we as

at-com of people and how are we going to go into the future. So I's always

walking down a very middle road and not really immersing myself in Akhama ways totally.

And the reason I said that, not become a fully traditional person.

Because if I did that, if I isolated myself

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