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So, Laurie is backing up in Kent, a Mars bar shortage and no more Roman city breaks.

These are just some of the things that we've been warned might happen if we get to a no-deal Brexit.

But what will actually happen? I speak to two people who somewhat disagree.

Plus, we also look at whether China is a greater force to be reckoned with than Russia. And finally, we look at why the British

are obsessed with aristocratic sex scandals. There are plenty of mixed messages thrown around when it

comes to a no-deal. And in this week's cover piece, Ross Clark weighs up the pros and the cons.

It's a fairly neutral piece, but I'm joined by two people who aren't. Lord Lily is one of the

leading advocates of so-called clean Brexit. Ian Dunn, editor of Politics.com.com. UK, and the author of

Brexit, What the Hell Happens Next, says it would be a monumental act of self-harm.

Welcome both. So Peter, even last year, Brexiteers were warning that No Deal might be a dangerous

option for Britain, but you now seem rather gung-ho. Can you explain to us why that is?

I'm not gung-ho, but the fears then were based on the knowledge then, which was that no preparations were known to have been made, and if no preparations were made, there would be problems.

Now we know preparations are being made. All the fears relate either to the belief that we will stop things coming into the country, which is absurd.

We won't. HMRC have said that they will have no additional checks at Dover beyond those that

they have at present because they only check lorries to look for illegal contraband, cigarettes,

drink, which has paid duty drugs and illegal immigrants, and the risk of that will not change.

But the whole thesis, therefore, was that there'd be problems in Calais, which were back up

across the channel. That was blown apart yesterday by the president of the Calais and Boulogne ports,

who said on the Today program to their obvious annoyance,

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