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The Specialist | The Greatest Persian Manuscript: A Story Fit For Kings, with Benedict Carter

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

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4.21.1K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

This is an episode of The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared in partnership with Sotheby's. In The Specialist, explore the significance and journey of an extraordinary work through the eyes of those that know it best. On today's episode, the legendary Shahnameh – the Persian Book of Kings – an epic poem composed of around 50,000 rhyming couplets that recounts the mythical and historical past of the Persian Empire. Head of Islamic and Indian Art, Benedict Carter tells the tale of how one remarkable version of the Shahnameh, containing 258 pictures, was split up. And takes us through to the spectacular, record-setting sale of one of its illustrated folios. ⁠Further details about the episode subject⁠  The Specialist is brought to you by Sotheby's Financial Services. SFS offers asset-based loans to unlock the value of your fine art, automobiles and other luxury collectibles. Visit ⁠sothebys.com/sfs⁠ to find out more. To step further into the World of Sotheby’s, visit any one of our galleries, which are open to the public. Explore more at ⁠sothebys.com⁠.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Intelligence Squared where Great Minds meet. I'm head of programming Connor Boyle.

0:06.2

Today, something a little different, we're excited to share with you a hand-picked episode of a brand new series,

0:11.8

The Specialist, produced by Intelligence Squared, in partnership with Sotheby's. We've all heard the

0:17.1

stories of the record-breaking works, headline-grabbing auctions and moments that

0:21.7

shock the art world and beyond. But have you ever wondered what's happening behind the scenes?

0:26.9

What goes into valuing a masterpiece or who the people are really behind the gavel?

0:31.3

The specialist brings you art's most extraordinary stories, told by the experts who witnessed them

0:36.9

in short episodes, perfect for a weekend listen.

0:40.1

Now, over to the specialist.

0:43.1

Imagine a Renaissance emperor or a pope or a king decided to put together the finest possible version of an existing manuscript.

0:51.4

Then illustrated by Leonardo, Michelangelo Bellini, Raphael, Georgione.

0:56.8

It would be almost a surreal concept, but yet that is exactly what this is, but made in 16th century Persia.

1:04.4

Sotheby's is the temporary custodian of some of the world's most rare, remarkable and coveted art and objects.

1:11.6

In each episode, we'll be exploring the significance and journey of an extraordinary work

1:16.6

told by those who know it best.

1:20.1

This is The Specialist.

1:22.7

On today's episode, we're diving into the legendary Shannama, the Persian Book of Kings,

1:27.4

an epic poem composed

1:29.4

of around 50,000 rhyming couplets that recounts the mythical and historical past of the Persian

1:35.2

Empire. Benedict Carter tells the tale of how one remarkable version of the shenama containing

1:41.7

258 pictures was split up and takes us through to the spectacular

1:47.2

record-setting sale of one of its illustrated folios. Having studied Arabic at both the universities

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