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Well, the Southern Poverty Law Center has been much in the news.

There are charges from the Department of Justice of Fraud, in particular bank fraud,

how they were funding the very groups they claimed to have been targeting and fighting against. And there are even more connections between the SBLC and some of these genuine hate groups.

But they also have a hate list, a hate map actually.

And some of the organizations that are on there are not hate groups they're just ordinary

christian groups welcome back to issues etc i'm todd wilkin joining us to talk about southern poverty

and laws hate map austin ruse he's president of cfam a nonpartisan nonprofit research institute

that monitors and affects the social

policy debate at the United Nations. He's author of a recent column for the Federalist titled

The Corrupt SPLC, Put Me on their Hate Map, and I'm Still Paying for it. Austin, welcome back.

I'm delighted to be with you, Todd. How are you?

Very well.

How would why did an organization that I think was originally dedicated to combat racism,

make the leap into gender ideology?

Well, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that racism is dropped off a cliff in the

United States of America, you know, the KKK and

crossburning and all that kind of stuff went away. And they needed somehow to begin filling their

coffers by scaring the pants off of left-wingers. And so they came up with LGBT issues. And that

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