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Weird Little Guys

The Southern Poverty Law Center Did Not Plan Unite the Right

Weird Little Guys

iHeartPodcasts and Cool Zone Media

Society & Culture, True Crime

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

The President of the United States went on 60 Minutes last month and claimed that the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville in 2017 was fake, a hoax perpetrated by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He's referring to allegations made in the recent indictment against the SPLC that one of their paid informants was a member of the planning chat for the rally. But what does the indictment actually say? And what kind of person snitches for money?

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

0:05.9

Cool Zone Media.

0:11.4

I was lingering outside the courthouse for no reason in particular, one morning in April a few years ago.

0:18.9

Normally, I had straight home to organize my notes.

0:23.0

If the day had a weird energy,

0:25.8

maybe I'll walk a few blocks in the wrong direction

0:27.9

to make sure no one's followed me to my car.

0:31.9

The swastika-shaped scars on the trees outside my living room window

0:35.3

are a reminder of a lesson learned the hard way.

0:40.1

But that morning, I sat on the bench outside for a minute,

0:44.5

and I met one of my weird little guys.

0:49.8

I hadn't planned to.

0:51.9

I didn't want to.

0:59.8

The type of research I do does not include asking them for their side of the story.

1:11.7

But there he was. I knew who he was. I'd written about him before. I was there that morning for his first appearance in court on a felony charge, and I had already spent years leading up to that moment scouring footage of the crime in

1:17.0

question, finding his face in the crowd, and identifying dozens of others. And he knew who I was.

1:27.6

I knew that, because I'd heard his podcast,

1:31.1

a short-lived production that included some very graphic descriptions

1:35.3

of rape and torture fantasies his friends had about me.

1:39.6

So I hadn't planned on chatting.

1:42.8

And yet there I was, extending my hand, offering him a lighter.

1:52.6

I'm not too proud to admit I'd been afraid.

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