Welcome to Our Hen House.

This is Jasmine Singer.

And this is Marianne Sullivan.

And this week we are so excited to bring you an interview with Jamie Berger,

one of the filmmakers behind one of the most important recent films about

animal agriculture, The Smell of Money. The movie only recently became available on streaming

sites. So after you listen to this interview, you can actually watch the film, which you are

definitely going to want to do. Marian, you have been going on and on about this interview,

mostly to rub it in that you're the one who did it and I didn't.

Fortunately, the film is available to both of us. I have been waiting for a long time to see this

film because the buzz around it has been really, really big. But, you know, they had a long

period of time where they were showing it at festivals,

at universities, which is great, but never in an area that I was. So I was really excited to see it.

Of course, it's not fun, but it's a really good movie. I just think that the approach they've taken is

really, really good. And the impact of this, the emotional impact of it is really, really good.

You know, when they're centering the people in that area, Eastern North Carolina, which is where the film takes place.

It's a documentary, of course. And it's about pig farming. A lot of stuff I didn't know. I mean, I won't repeat any of it now because you'll be hearing it in the interview,

but it was very enlightening. And it was also just very moving. And I think by centering,

this is such a key to activism, centering the people and their story. And their story is really

just infuriating and tragic, but not turning your back on the animals. There's an art there,

and they hit it perfectly, I think, because people who aren't animal rights activists and perhaps

who eat pork, they do not want to hear about the animals, but they might want to hear about

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