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Hey guys, Payne here. I want to share something with you a little different. It's honestly

one of the most unsettling cases I've ever heard of. Recently, I joined Carter Roy on Murder

True Crime Stories to talk about the 1997 killing of

Ramelea Follader. She was brutally murdered by her husband, Scott Follator, but he insists that he was

asleep when he did it. There were 44 stab wounds, a neighbor watching from across the street,

and a defense that asks a terrifying question.

Can someone commit a murder without ever waking up? And what does that even mean? This case

is one that toes the line between science, psychology, and accountability, and whether or not

the jury got it right. Here's a preview of the episode. This is Crime House.

44 stab wounds, a swimming pool full of blood, a witness who saw it all happen, and a man who had no idea he'd just become a killer.

Memory can be tricky like that. We've all been in a situation where we completely forget something we've done.

Maybe your parents told an embarrassing childhood story you don't remember, or your friends

had to fill you in after too many drinks.

For the most part, these realizations are harmless, sometimes funny even.

But for Scott for later, they were horrifying.

One night in 1997, Scott's life was shattered when he learned that his wife of 20 years

was brutally murdered in their backyard.

Scott said he was fast asleep when it happened.

Then things took an even darker turn.

When police told Scott,

he was the one who actually did it.

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