You're going to be saying three different times and then the

episodes are going to come out a little bit differently. I'm your host, Paul Spor, and I'm joined by a special guest. My friend, my main event partner, we divorced, amicably, but Dusty Wagner.

The pupil wanted to try it out on his own and maybe I should come back Dusty because it didn't go well in my first year.

You didn't teach me well enough. How's it going Dusty?

Hey, what's going on Paul? Thanks for having me today.

Now you've been doing work with Arbor Pro this year, correct?

Yes, yes, I'll be with them next year as well.

That's awesome, dude.

Yeah, you've been a long time high stakes player in the

NFPC for quite a while.

Like I said, we linked up the first couple years to do it.

And, you know, you warned me off the bat though I should have known going my

first year it was going to be tough because you said it's going to be hard

it takes a few years for even even the best of the best.

Those guys that are way at the top and the known names.

They took a few years to get going.

So as it relates to NFPC or just high stakes in general, how long have you been doing it and what is it about

those leagues that makes the learning curve so steep? Well you know I've been doing

this more or less for like 10 years. I started in St. Louis a long, long time back.

They don't even go to St. Louis anymore. I think the number one thing that makes it so hard is there's just a lot of people out there like us.

So like all these listeners, all these, there's so much information out there to process where everybody has access to it.

So the especially now more so than like 10 years ago.

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