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The Daily Beast Podcast

The Sleazy Reason Trump Can’t Quit Ghislaine Maxwell

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

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4.68.4K Ratings

🗓️ 29 August 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

Joanna Coles and Michael Wolff dig into Ghislaine Maxwell’s prison interviews with Trump’s DOJ, Epstein’s lingering influence on Trump, and Trump’s presidential culture of copious pardons for nefarious American characters. They examine how rich criminals and political allies maneuvered for Trump's favor, and how loyalty, leverage, and money shaped decisions inside the Oval Office. From secret phone calls to private doubts, Wolff unpacks what drives Trump's unusual sympathy Trump reportedly felt for Maxwell and the political pressures he's facing in deciding whether to pardon her. And Wolff highlights how Epstein’s social connections, including Fergie and Prince Andrew, intersected with Trump, showing the unexpected ways their worlds became connected. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

To wrap up what is inside Donald Trump's head here about Galane, which is that she comes from

0:07.8

the same world that he comes from. So there is this sympathy. There is this, you know, this person

0:15.5

who knows this person who does this and this is where the money moves and all that. That's Donald Trump's world.

0:23.8

And there's no coincidence that Galane has known Donald Trump for many, many, many years.

0:30.9

I'm Joanna Coles back with inside Trump's head,

0:35.0

part two of the Gillen--Maxwell proffer transcripts,

0:39.8

which, as I've said, is better than any thriller you are going to read this summer.

0:44.7

It's your new beach reading.

0:47.0

Take it for your long weekend.

0:50.4

Settle in and read all about the woman who is inside Trump's head this week.

1:01.1

All right, Michael, we're going to pick up where we left off still deep, knee-deep in this

1:06.8

Gellon-Mexwell transcript, but you're hearing that he's calling around.

1:13.0

He Donald Trump is calling around.

1:14.2

I mean, I think she is, you know, inside Trump's head is this week, Galane.

1:20.8

And I think it's very, it's, it's high pressure for him.

1:25.4

And he's, he's calling around and he's saying literally, what should I do about Maxwell?

1:31.5

And I think it's divided in his mind because he knows he will get flack. He knows it is actually not the politic thing to do. But at the same time, I think he wants to pardon her.

1:49.2

I think he feels something for her. And in addition to owing her something, because she delivered on what she had to do.

2:02.8

He has never done anything inappropriate.

2:05.7

He's a great guy, the greatest guy.

2:09.7

And I never saw the birthday letter.

2:11.2

No birthday letter.

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