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Hello and welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe. Today is Thursday, January 12,

2023 and this is your host, Steven Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella.

Everybody, Cara Santamaria.

Howdy.

Jane Novella. Hey guys, and Evan Bernstein.

Good evening everyone.

How are we all doing today?

We're here.

Good well.

Bad for January 12, not bad.

So we do have to begin the show with some sad news. We all learned just today, really,

just a couple hours ago, that our friend in skepticism Harriet Hall died yesterday on January 11.

She was 78 years old. For those of you who don't know Harriet was one of the regular authors and editors on science-based medicine.

Actually, Bob, you and I met her at the same time.

Yeah.

If you remember, we met her at that health conference in California, like in 2000, like the early 2000s, before we were doing...

Wow.

Yeah, go away back before you were doing the show.

Thought it was the late 90s, but yeah, it could have been the early arts.

And we immediately connected, it's like, oh, we're both physicians who are, you know, skeptical of alternative medicine.

You know, we connected with Wally Samson at that time, and, you know, she was one of the writers, contributors to scientific review of alternative medicine.

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