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Hello and welcome to the skeptics guide to the universe. Today is Thursday, October 2nd, 2025,

and this is your host, Stephen Novella. Joining me this week are Bob Novella. Hey, everybody. Kara Santa Maria.

Howdy. Jay Novella. Hey guys. And we have a special guest, Lee,

Mossbacher. Lee, welcome to The Skeptych Guide. Thank you for having me. And Lee, you're joining

us because you are a patron of the show and you just mentioned to us that you've been listening

to us for 20 years. Is that really true?

Well, when did you start? I think it was like 2005 or 2008 or 2005. 2005. I was part of the

forums for the longest time and a listener on my iPod, then my iPhone. So yeah. Okay, cool.

Because we only had like 200 listeners back in 2005.

Well, I did win one of the, who's that noisy, I think.

Oh, we could go back into the email archives.

That's amazing.

Yeah, to make it clear, just so people that are listening know, so you have to be a patron at the $200 level or higher in order to get that.

That's why we don't have that many people who actually get to do this. So first off, Lee,

I just want to thank you for being an awesome supporter of the SGU. During these dark times,

we need support because, you know, we are trying to expand our reach and we're starting

new podcasts and, you know, adding in more live stream content all to, in some way, help chip

a little bit away at the amount of insanity that's going on.

So you may notice that Evan's not here this week.

That's mainly because his internet is down. We tried to troubleshoot, but he had other things going on, too, so it just wasn't going to work this week. But that's okay, because we got Lee to take his place. Oh, yeah, it's, it's Yom Kipper is just starting. So I don't know if you're supposed to say happy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if Yom Kippur is a happy holiday, but...

Aren't all Jewish holidays not happy holidays? starting. So I don't know if you're supposed to say happy. Yeah. I don't know if Yom Kippur is a happy

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