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Today is Wednesday, August 20th, 2025, and this is your host, Stephen Novella.

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Jay Novella.

Hey, guys. And Evan Bernstein. Good evening, everyone. Jay, go to Kansas. Has any, have you ever been to Kansas before? Of course. I've been through Kansas. Okay. I've been to Kansas. I honestly can't remember. I don't know. I've heard about it.

In 1981, my family moved from Dallas, Texas to Denver, Colorado. A part of it was a Midwest trip we took. So we went south up through the north, straight up the center of Kansas, pretty much drove through. Then when my family moved from Denver, Colorado to Connecticut back in 1983, we drove west to east.

So I literally did a crisscross of the state.

I mean, we may have stopped for a meal, but that was probably about it.

Well, stopping for a meal, I don't want to start beef here or anything, Evan, but you lived in Dallas first.

Would you say Texas barbecue or?

Oh, gosh, yes.

I'm Texas all the way. I'm very biased with that, though. But I'm going to be open while we're there. I'm going to eat me some Kansas City barbecue. Absolutely. Gosh, how can we not? Well, Kansas is like right smack dab in the middle of the country, you know? It is. You know, watch some documentaries on things like the Dust Bowl, like from the 1920s.

Is it... middle of the country, you know? It is. You know, watch some, um, documentaries on things like the

Dust Bowl, like from the 1920s. It's an incredible, uh, just devastation of what happened in,

in Kansas and much of that part of the country. And it's like a little piece of American history

that you don't hear about so often. It's not talked about. It's not recollected about,

but it's still unbelievable to learn about.

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