The So, You're still calling them Basil I? It's good enough for Gary Neville that's my rule as you know listen I just think it's

really important to say that apart from set bladder and none of those people have

yet been proven to be being racist and I'm not saying that that means they're not I'm just saying

we all assume that John Terry's probably not a very nice man but the Louis Suarez thing I think

it's so vitally important to remove club loyalties from it and

Absolutely you know Louis Swayres has allegedly been a massive racist. Allegedly, yes.

Yes, so I mean he's been charged with the FAA and some people would say there's unlikely

to be smoke of that fire, but I think we don't have a constitution but in the

unwritten constitution of our land we say people are innocent until proven

guilty and there's been no proof yet and and that will be the case until the

FAA you know brings down a judgment.

It's with the compliance unit at the moment,

and we'll find out.

I mean, it's not like the FA is moving quickly on this one,

so it could still take some time,

and they won't look at the John Terryting

until the police are finished with it.

You know, I don't think that you can have this conversation without nuance.

Racism is an incredibly complex and vast subject and there are lots and lots and lots of

different types of racism which have similar origins but don't play out the same way and definitely there's definitely a sliding scale from promoting the genocide of people that look different to you and using

insulting language and thinking of someone as less than and then having you know a bunch

of subconscious attitudes that you're not even aware of or having very

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