leading Britain's conversation with James O'Brien.

Hello, three minutes after ten is the time. A very good morning indeed to you. There are

no prizes for guessing what is going to be on the conversational agenda today. Although, I just want to take a moment with your permission to go around the houses a little bit.

Because what are the sides here?

It's very, very strange.

You know my theory, which I think works, even if you are very much on the opposite side of defence from me

and still think that Brexit is a great idea and Boris Johnson is a bang-up leader.

I think we can all agree that there has been a divisiveness to British politics since 2016

that is, or probably unprecedented, certainly post-Thatcher,

you'd call it unprecedented. But the invitation today, and this anonymous briefing overnight,

I'm never sure how much normal people follow this kind of thing, as opposed to the anorax and the

freak shows that live

their lives either in the Westminster Pond or on the shores with their with their fishing lines

dangling into the waters but but a lot of us a lot of people are quite upset that once again

the the major media outlets are left with little choice but to report verbatim unchallenged

and unnamed a senior government source.

Effectively attacking Kirstama for opportunism after Kirstama came out yesterday and said

we should do what the scientists, the government's own scientific advisors are doing.

I don't know how you describe

that as opportunism, especially as on the other side of the road. You've seen an awful lot of

criticism from Labour supporters of his failure to do more opposing. So, you know, there's a rock and a

hard place element to that. But this anonymous briefing overnight

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