The comfortable way to deal with these stories is to say they are about them.

The way to understand these stories is to say they are about us.

No, no.

No.

The comfortable way to deal with these stories is to say they are about them.

The way to understand these stories is to know they are about us.

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Thank you. We were talking to Jose, the guy that was crossing, and he was saying that it costs between

$7,000 and $20,000.

And I was like who has twenty thousand dollars

yeah well you know what most of the stories that I heard they sell everything

they have they get in debt big time and if they don't make it they go back with

that debt.

We have cases sometimes when we were having a lot of people,

the people being deported, and they have been deported four or five times,

and they were done.

You know, they didn't want to do this journey anymore.

And we had them in the phone with their families in

Guatemala or El Salvador or Honduras and they will be saying don't come you need to try it again

because we can you can come back we own all this. And you see men crying like a kid, but I can anymore. I will die. It's here. It's real. 262 miles of hot, dry, often mountainous terrain, and yet more and more migrants are still coming north.

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