This is exactly right.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson. I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator whose work some of America's most complicated cases

and solve them.

Each week, I present Paul with one of history's most compelling true crimes.

And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques to bring new insights to old mysteries.

Together, using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved and some are cold, very cold. This is buried bones.

Music Hey, Kate, how are you?

I'm well, Paul. How about you have you've been thinking about the case?

Of course I have.

Poor Billy Woodward. I know. I know. So this case has been for us about, is this an accident or is this murder?

And I feel like we have kind of contradictory evidence, but I'm not quite sure. Where do you think we stand now?

I know you've been thinking about it

this week. Yeah, we don't have all the information yet to make that determination. And these cases

can be difficult because sometimes, you know, the evidence could support either theory. And that's

where I'm interested to see where this goes as the case unfolds. Because right now,

I think there's some inconsistencies in Anne's initial statement. However, there's some aspects where,

you know, it appears that how she said the, you know, the shooting went down, killing Billy,

you know, could be possible based on what she said.

So I'm wanting answers.

You know, this is, you know, what I used to do during aspects of my job is to try to look at physical evidence to answer accidental or homicide.

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