Welcome to the K-EXP Runcast. I am your host, John Richards, your running buddy, and your musical friend,

who tries to bring you a soundtrack each and every episode to help you through your training,

maybe get you through some runs, or even inspire you to run some races. And as we've done a lot this

season, I've been trying to bring in guests who are runners may have a different

perspective and they're going to pick some music. Maybe I wouldn't have picked. And hopefully we all have

better runs for it and better times for it and discover some music along the way. So I've been working on

this one for quite a while. I thought it'd be cool to get a K-E-X-P Shoe-Gays run cast.

And we brought in our friend, Greg Burton's, of Film School,

to help us with this Shugay's podcast,

as he is the frontman for one of my favorite bands,

Film School, I've been playing for years on the show.

And turns out he's a runner as well. So let's get

started with Greg. And I asked him how running helped him conquer his addictions. When I started

getting sober and really getting sober, like really committing to it, you know, I noticed that

first when the alcohol and drugs went

away, my thinking changed, right? Like, I started to feel like I could think more clearly,

but also my emotions changed, right? I got a little bit less spiky, you know, both ways. And, you know,

like, I think that as I was focusing on the mental side of recovery, I, you know, like, I think that as I was focusing on the mental side of recovery,

I, you know, I was also kind of starting to dabble and running and whatnot.

And I, and I noticed that my mind changed when I was running.

Like, like I would get a difficult chemical reaction or different chemicals in my head.

And my thinking became

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