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🗓️ 7 May 2025
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This week, Scott sat down with his Lawfare colleagues Benjamin “The Beard” Wittes and Anastasiia (and Ava) Lapatina to discuss the week’s biggest national security news stories, including:
In Object Lessons, Ben logrolled Lawfare’s accidentally-on-purpose, Fridays-at-4pm YouTube show, Lawfare Live (like, Like and Subscribe to our channel!). Scott’s getting ready for grilled pizza season and shared tips for how to handle the heat. And turning the temperature down a notch, Nastya recommended Minna Ålander’s substack, Northern Flank Notes, for more uutiset on the Nordic-Baltic-Arctic region.
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0:00.0 | Ben, I feel like you have a little bit of a beard going. I realize I don't think in all the years |
0:05.1 | I've known you you've ever had a beard and I think it's a missed opportunity. I'm kind of into it. |
0:09.2 | Actually, yes. It's not going to last the rest of the day, I'm afraid, Scott. It's going to be |
0:14.2 | wiped out in a brutal act of hair facial genocide. It looks kind of good, actually. I hate it. It's itchy, but |
0:25.6 | thank you. Have you ever grown it out? No, I just don't do that. Here's my facial hair thing |
0:32.0 | that I am working on, though. My left eyebrow is going completely gray. My right eyebrow hasn't started yet. So I am |
0:41.9 | working on having two entirely different color eyebrows. That's my... That's cool. Planned, |
0:49.4 | sculpted facial hair plan. Bleached eyebrows are in. I feel like this is just the, you're just going |
0:54.4 | halfway there. I think that's good. It's a step. It will make you look like you're just |
0:58.4 | constantly quizzical or something, which is actually like Ben's usual posture. Yeah, exactly. |
1:09.1 | Hello, everyone, and welcome back to Rational Security, the podcast where we invite you to join members of the Lawfare team as we try to make sense of the week's biggest national security news stories. |
1:19.5 | And make sense of their own facial hair. |
1:21.7 | And their own facial hair, for those who may have tuned in to the B-roll. |
1:24.5 | We'll be doing mine next, which is always a big topic for discussion. |
1:28.3 | But I'm thrilled to be joined by key members of our law firm to talk over a couple of big |
1:32.5 | stories, including Lawfare, Editor-in-Chief, and co-hosts Emeritus of Rational Security. |
1:36.9 | Benjamin Wittes, Ben, thank you for joining us back on the podcast, Bearded or No. |
1:41.9 | Happy to be here, as always. |
1:43.8 | I do like it. |
1:44.4 | It gives you a real sense of gravitas. |
1:45.8 | I think you should think about it. |
1:46.7 | Also, it has like a very kind of D'Artagnan vibe right now because it's mostly just a mustache and a goatee. |
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