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today's episode.

So this is a really fascinating chat,

and I think a really important one as well.

This week, we sit down with Dr. Kathy O'Neill

to talk about her new book, The Shame Machine, who profits in the New Age of

Humiliation. Now, Kathy is a mathematician. She earned her PhD in mathematics from Harvard. She's also the

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