Before you listen to this BBC podcast, I'd like to introduce myself.

My name's Stevie Middleton and I'm a BBC Commissioner for a load of sport podcasts.

I'm lucky to do that at the BBC because I get to work with leading journalists, experienced

pundits and the biggest sports stars.

Together we bring you untold stories and fascinating insights straight from the player's mouths.

But the best thing about doing this at the BBC

is our unique access to the sporting world.

What that means is that we can bring you podcasts

that create a real connection to dedicated sports fans

across the UK.

So if you like this podcast,

head over to BBC Sounds

where you'll find plenty more.

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This podcast includes strong language.

In the first episode of this season, there's a conversation between me and Matt in the cafe across the street.

This was before COVID and all that stuff.

It was actually recorded before we finished The Whisper in Darkness.

We'd been back from Suffolk a few days,

and we met up to go over stuff before heading into the studio to record the end of that season.

Matt cut some of this conversation into the first episode of Shadow Over Ensmouth,

but this is it in its entirety.

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