Hey, it's Ampire's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. All right, as I write this,

my X timeline is flooded with people talking about, you know what, it actually doesn't matter.

Because by the time you hear this, something new and the news will have happened that will

overshadow whatever it is that's going on now. So today, I want to rescue you from the hyper speed of the

new cycle and bring you two interviews that are about slowing down and looking to the outdoors

for inspiration. In a bit, we'll hear from a journalist and activist whose life was radically

changed after she took up birding. But first, the botanist, Robin Wall Kimmerer's book,

Braiding Sweetgrass, became a slow burn hit.

It's a book about gleaning life lessons from plants.

And now Kimmerer is out with a follow-up titled The Service Berry.

And in this interview with Empiraz Ari Shapiro,

she talks about fighting back against an economy that begs us to

consume more. That's coming up. In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily

life. Distant wars, murky conflicts, diplomacy behind closed doors on our new show,

sources and methods. NPR reporters on the ground bring you stories

of real people helping you understand why distant events matter here at home. Listen to sources

and methods on the NPR app or wherever you get your podcasts. Since she's a botanist, let's say Robin

Wall Kimmerer's last book bloomed slowly.

It was called Braiding Sweetgrass, Indigenous Wisdom, Scientific Knowledge, and the Teachings of Plants.

A small nonprofit press published the book in 2013.

It's spread by word of mouth.

And seven years later, it hit the New York Times bestseller list in paperback.

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