Hello and welcome to being well.

I'm Forrest Hansen.

If you're new to the podcast, thanks for joining us today.

And if you've listened before, welcome back.

Today we're going to be returning to a topic that has been pretty popular on the podcast

in the past, self-abandonment.

We have done several episodes on this.

We've talked about what it is, where it comes from, and how it connects to things like people-pleasing and the fawn response.

But today, I wanted to get into the actual structure of self-abandonment, the internal

machinery, the kind of fuel that keeps it running, which typically includes a lot of shame and self-criticism.

And to help us figure out what we can do about all of that, I'm joined by clinical psychologist, Dr. Rick Hanson.

So, Dad, how are you doing today?

I'm really good for us and psyched about this material.

Same, yeah. I was really interested in this one.

I remember the first episode that we did

on self-abandonment way back when one of the first things you said was something like, this is a new term for me,

because, of course, ideas like this have been around for a long time, but that wasn't a phrase that you

had bumped into before. It's one that's become pretty popular recently. And I think that when

people think about self-abandonment in general, they tend to picture a pretty specific kind of example.

You know, I wanted to say no, but I said yes anyways. I can't create strong boundaries with other people,

that kind of thing. And those examples are very real in people's experiences. But they're also really

complicated by just the reality of life.

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