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Switched on Pop

The secret world of songwriting camps

Switched on Pop

Vox Media Podcast Network

Music Interviews, Music History, Music, Music Commentary

4.62.7K Ratings

🗓️ 8 August 2023

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Beginning in the nineties, pop songwriters have traveled to a 13th-century castle in the south of France for what’s come to be known as a “song camp” – a place where songwriters and collaborators can hunker down and spend a week together writing the next big hits. The castle’s owner Miles Copeland, former manager of The Police, brought songwriters to this far-flung location for a dose of creativity, and yielded massive success through the process: artists like Celine Dion, Britney Spears and Miranda Lambert have all benefited from songs stemming from these retreats. Over the last fifteen years, song camps have exploded in popularity from Peter Coquillard’s Bali Invitational, to Rihanna’s $200k LA camp, to the Anti Social Song Camp: a NYC-based event and the world’s largest songwriting retreat. This episode of Switched On Pop, we take a look at the secret world of song camps, and even manage to be a fly-on-the-wall in a camp with songwriter Nicholas Petricca of Walk The Moon, Julia Cunningham of Sunflower Bean, engineer Will Campbell and producer Andrew Maury. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Switched On Pop, I'm songwriter Charlie Harding.

0:16.0

When I think about how pop songs are written, I still have the image in my mind of artists

0:20.3

like Bob Dylan, Carol King, or Stevie Wonder.

0:29.9

For sitting in front of a piano or strumming a guitar on their lap and pouring words out

0:36.9

onto a page. And then, of course, there's collaborators, famous songwriting duos like George

0:41.9

and Ira Gershwin, Len and McCartney, now Rogers and Bernard Edwards, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis,

0:53.4

for even frail Williams and Chad Hugo of The Neptune's.

1:03.9

But of course, the vast majority of pop songs aren't written this way anymore.

1:09.2

Now writers are often put together into group sessions with strangers, largely in Hollywood

1:14.3

songwriting rooms, turning out songs in a method that John Seabork of the New Yorker dubbed

1:18.8

the song machine, where a producer or engineer sits behind a computer, making it beat

1:23.9

as top-line songwriters and provides melodies until they land a hook, and then lyrics are paired

1:28.8

with the best melodies. It's really a numbers game. A pop songwriter will generally work at

1:32.7

these five sessions a week, writing 200 songs in a year, and if they're at the top of their game,

1:37.6

maybe 20% of those songs will actually get turned into records. Or maybe someone likes the song,

1:42.0

and they want to cut it, but it needs some punch ups and rewrites, and the credits on the song

1:47.1

balloon into dozens of co-writers. That can be fine if one of those 200 songs workshop or not

1:52.1

becomes a radio hit, because it can change your life. But really, you're not expecting to read a

1:55.9

hit every time. At the very least, you might perform a new relationship to make a new songwriting

2:01.0

team, like Harry Styles has with Kid Harpoon and Tyler Johnson, who've collaborated on all of

2:05.5

style solo material. But frankly, this session writing method can be a slog. You're working mostly

2:11.2

on spec and windowless studios that don't always spark creative inspiration. And really, this

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