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Hello, Secret Squad. Thank you so much for joining me on another episode of I've Got a Secret.

Today, we're talking about a topic that affects all of us, every one of us, the secret to

forgiveness. Whether you're on the giving or receiving end of it, forgiveness can be a very tricky thing. To help me

dive into the sensitive nuances of forgiveness, I have the wonderful, the unmatched Catherine

Schwarzenegger Pratt with me today. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Oh, my gosh. You're so welcome and thank you

for coming. Catherine is a New York Times bestselling author and has recently launched a brand new book

titled The Gift of Forgiveness. And I have to tell you, this book, Catherine, like I just now just had full body chills,

just starting that sentence, because I read it and I couldn't put it down. I started it and

couldn't put it down until I finished it. I waited until the weekend when, you know,

I didn't have my grandbabies. I wasn't grandma for the weekend.

And Philip was busy. And I sat down in the same room. And I started the book. And I, honestly,

I couldn't put it down because it's a very profound book on a very profound topic.

Thank you. That's such a sweet thing to say. I'm so excited.

Well, I love that you couldn't put it down. That makes makes me so happy because I feel the same way, but I also am so close to it. So it's amazing to hear somebody who isn't so close to it feel the same way. Well, I have to tell you, I love books like yours. I love this. But I think also it's not only the way you have written it, but the topic is so important.

And I'm sure you'll agree with me, but it's really sad sometimes that after, while reading your book and afterwards, but if you just start thinking about the topic, it's really sad that

there are people out there

that can live their entire life in a bitter, sad, different way because they've chosen not to

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