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Trilla Words is back for another season exclusively on Amazon Music.

We asked people to bring in three words of meaning and significance to their lives.

We used that as a springboard for conversation.

And then at the end of the show, we asked them for a word that they'd be happy never to hear again.

So that's Trilla Words with made John Bishop and Tony Pitts listen to it every Friday exclusively on Amazon Music.

Dan Papet, can you describe what happened when you were hanging out with Brian Debel in his office recently?

So Brian Debel goes to his desk. He opens one of his drawers and he pulls out a deck of cards.

Brings a deck of cards to his table and puts the deck of cards down and asks me to cut the deck.

I cut the deck, it takes the two top cards from the deck and puts them in front of the two piles.

And he asks me to cut the two piles, I do it again. So now we've got four piles and we've got four cards in front of them.

Now we asked me to flip each of the four cards. I flip them.

Every one of them is in Ace.

And what is your reaction, Dan?

You know, John opened, he's pretty good. He's got some magic going without a doubt.

And I think that magic has been evident not only on that table with the deck of cards but also with the job that he's done with the New York Giants in this season.

His first season has had coach.

Many fans of the New York Giants would agree that Brian Debel has pulled quite a few rabbits out of his hat so far this season.

He's taken a team that finished 4 and 13 last season and without many significant roster changes has started out this season, 7 and 3.

The Athletics Dan Pompey recently wrote an in-depth profile of Debel.

And today, Dan breaks the magician's code and reveals to us the secret to Brian Debel's magic.

And he explains why the Giants' success might really be more than just an illusion.

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