Extraordinarily, we have now found ourselves on this blacklist.

There are these things called ratings agencies and they put a number on how trustworthy

individual publications are. And if they give you a zero or they put you on the

nawley list your business model is pretty much turned off overnight.

At the recent dissident dialogues conference in New York I sat down with Freddie Sayers

editor-in-chief of Unheard.

We were quote-unquote anti-L-G-Q-I-plus on the grounds that we publish quote-unquote gender critical feminists.

In this episode he breaks down what he's uncovered

about the workings of the disinformation industry.

This is taxpayer dollars flowing into completely unaccountable self-created

organizations. This is American Thought Leaders and I'm Yagnay Kellick.

Freddie Sayers, it's so good to have you on American thought leaders here at

Dissident Dialogues, which actually you are putting on.

Yes, we are sponsoring it. It's the first of its kind. We're here in

Brooklyn in a strange kind of industrial park overlooking Manhattan, bit of

water between us and it's been amazing. We're in day two now. These are groups of people who

are intelligent, interesting heterodox as the phrase goes. You know they come from all

parts of the political spectrum but we are addressing issues

that many people find difficult to talk about and we're doing it and I hope a

fun and constructive atmosphere and there's some 800 plus people here which I think is an incredibly positive sign.

Well an amazing thing that I want to talk about. I'm not going to start with this but you know you are a UK

I'll call it a dissident media, a heterodox media,

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