We hold these truths to be self-evident. That all men are created. As a member of Congress, I get to have a lot of really interesting people in the office. Experts on what they're talking about. This is the podcast for insights into the issues. China, bioterrorism, Medicare for all, in-depth discussions. Breaking it down into simple terms. We hold. We hold these truths. We hold these truths. With Dan Crenshaw. The angle has landed. And welcome back to Hold These Truths, greatest podcast ever. Were you, OS5 stars, I think, by now? We have a great guest today. Rush Doshi, I'm saying that right? That's right. Rush, thanks for being being on he's an assistant professor at security studies

assistant professor of security studies at georgetown university's school of foreign service

previous deputy senior director for china and taiwan on the national security council back in

2021 21 24 yep and of helped in, as a practitioner,

helping coordinate U.S. policy toward China and Taiwan,

staff meetings between President Biden and Xi Jinping,

served as lead action officer for negotiations that launched Ocas.

Also, the author of, and this is I think mostly we're going to talk about today,

a book that came out about five years ago, The Long Game, China's Grand Strategy to Displace American Order.

Also the co-editor of Global China assessing China's growing role in the world.

So Rush, thanks for coming on.

Thank you, sir.

I appreciate it.

So the long game, I think this is is to start with, a topic that people get a little

bit wrong.

And I've heard other books along the same lines of this.

There's a misconception that China started to become our adversary on its own accord in very recent history.

But the reality is much grimmer than that.

It's been going on for a while.

They've been looking at us as a threat for much longer than we ever thought.

Yeah, that's right.

You know, back in the 1980s, we were almost quasi-allies against the Soviet Union.

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