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Pablo Torre Finds Out

The Science of the Trans Athlete Debate, Made Easy(ish)

Pablo Torre Finds Out

Pablo Torre

News, Government, Sports, Sports News

4.72.6K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

The culture war around a tiny population of competitors may have led to the re-election of Donald Trump, who says nationwide bans on Day One aren't complicated. But biology is complicated. And David Epstein — greatest sports science reporter in America, author of The Sports Gene, writer of the Range Widely newsletter — did the research, so that the suspicious and/or sympathetic among us don't necessarily have to. Turns out, there are solutions upon which fact-based humans can agree, in case studies from childbirth to high-jump junk, college volleyball to Olympic boxing, nature to nurture... and nipple. ** Link on The Sports Gene: https://davidepstein.com/david-epstein-the-sports-gene/ Link on Range Widely: https://davidepstein.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out. I am Pablo Torre. Today, we're going to find out what this sound is.

0:06.8

Why men have nipples, which we can talk about. But it's a good title.

0:09.7

At one point, they were toying with that for the title of the whole book, and I'm like, we cannot.

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You are the greatest sports science writer in America, arguably the world, although I don't

1:05.8

travel the world as much as I travel America. You always say that, and I like to add to that

1:09.6

caveat, like out of all three of us,

1:11.3

you know, and you're underselling yourself. I'm a science writer, an investigative reporter.

1:17.0

And the other half of the former Sports Illustrated, I don't remember what corner of the building

1:22.3

we were in, but we were part of the SI fact-jacking department. The disgusting brothers in the

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