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Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind.

My name is Robert Lamb.

Today I have a special interview to present you with.

I recorded this last week.

And it is going to be a discussion of mind drama.

The Science of Rumination or How to Outwit Your Interdefeatist by Donna Jackson Nakazawa.

I'm going to hold the book up here for folks who are joining us on

video on Netflix. You can find this book wherever you get your books right now. And as you'll see,

I highly recommend it. I thought this is a terrific read and it is a very important topic.

Donna Jackson Nakazawa is the author of five books that explored the intersection of neuroscience, stress, and emotion,

including Girls on the Brink, which was named one of the best health books of the year by The Washington Post,

The Angel and the Assassin, named one of the best books of the year by Wired Magazine, and Childhood Disrupted, a finalist for the

Books for a Better Life Award. Her work has appeared in Wired, the Boston Globe, The Washington Post,

Health Affairs, Stat, Psychology Today, and Psychotherapy Networker. She's appeared on today in NPR

and is a regular speaker at universities and organizations,

including Child Mind Institute, Harvard Science, ULCA Health, and Rutgers Health.

It was a real honor to chat with Donna Jackson, Nakazawa.

Without further ado, let's jump right into the interview.

Hi, Donna. Welcome to the interview.

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