Hey friends, welcome to the Rhythms for Life Podcast where each week we talk about four rhythms

that help you reduce stress and anxiety and take charge of your emotional health. Rest,

restore, connect, create. These ideas come from Rebecca's best-selling book,

Rhythms of Renewal, trading stress and anxiety for a life of peace and purpose. So grab your

copy, invite your friends and let's live in rhythm.

Welcome back, I'm Rebecca. And I'm Gabe. It's good to have you with us for one of these

introverts. I feel I felt very lonely the last couple of weeks. I know our schedule there was

a bit of a travel situation but I am so glad that we're together for this. I know and I think today

what I'm excited about is as we push through so many important conversations around adversity

that we're getting to the heart of the matter today with Kurt Thompson. Somebody that has

mentored, coached, been a guide, been a part of our emotional health retreats. We do every

November, which by the way, I'd love for you guys to be a part of the next one we do this fall

happening in late November but I think in general resilience gets defined here. We really get

into the heart of what you've written about in building a resilient life. Yeah and I was so

excited to have Kurt in for this conversation because he's been such a catalyst in this story,

in this journey. His voice really influenced the beginning of that very first rule of resilience

named the pain and the three chapters in that rule are the understanding the weight of shame,

getting honest and inviting others in and understanding a rhythm of confession. And so

this name, the pain is essential and so we really unpack that but you'll hear this in this

conversation that Kurt you just don't even see it coming like he just really goes there and then

I'm crying and it feels like lots of therapy. So get ready for that. It's really beautiful. He has

such a nurturing pastoral psychiatry role and it's amazing how he's able to pair scripture and

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