Hey everybody welcome to battleground podcast I have an amazing guest today his name is Mike

usingo he's the director of he's the director of forced science institute

uh Mike is the real deal spent 25 years in law enforcement and on SWAT and

one of my buddies a guy that we we had on this program earlier a few months ago,

and somebody that I served with in Afghanistan has nothing but amazing things to say about

Mike.

And he's like, you got to get him on the podcast.

This guy is, when we talk about the evolution of SWAT teams and tactics,

this is the guy to talk to.

He's nationally renowned. Mike, I am so excited to have you here today.

Thank you for making time with us and welcome to the podcast.

I appreciate, I really been looking forward to this

Sean so thank you so much. First I'll get you thank you for what you do God bless your

brother and thank you for your service thank you for keeping my buddy alive over there.

You know, we got a chance to meet him and then work with him and

really find some great work for him.

Hopefully that he enjoyed in Syracuse while it was there.

So, he's a little rough around the edges though isn't he?

He's a good way though in a good way.

So if you don't mind I just jump right into a story that you may not remember this, but we corresponded before a while ago.

I remember.

Do you?

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