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The Michael Shermer Show

The Science of Disbelief: Understanding Atheism and the Evolution of Religion

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Natural Sciences, Science

4.31K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2024

⏱️ 102 minutes

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Summary

In Disbelief: The Origins of Atheism in a Religious Species, Will Gervais explores the interconnected nature of religious belief and atheism in human psychology. Gervais proposes that understanding religion requires solving two evolutionary puzzles: the Puzzle of Faith, examining how Homo sapiens became uniquely religious, and the Puzzle of Atheism, investigating how disbelief exists within this religious species. This approach yields a comprehensive theory explaining both faith and atheism, shedding light on humanity's religious evolution and the current trend of abandoning belief. Gervais draws on cognitive science, cultural evolution, and evolutionary psychology to challenge existing theories of religion.

Will Gervais, PhD, is a prominent cultural evolutionary psychologist specializing in the scientific study of atheism. His research, featured in major media outlets, bridges cultural evolution, evolutionary psychology, and cognitive science. Gervais's interdisciplinary work has earned him recognition as a Rising Star by the Association for Psychological Science and garnered awards from the American Psychological Association and the Foundation for Personality and Social Psychology. In Disbelief, Gervais employs accessible prose and compelling examples to explain humanity's religious origins, the shift away from faith, and strategies for navigating religious divides in our culturally evolved landscape.

Shermer and Gervais explore the nature of religion, various belief systems, and atheism's prevalence and perception. They delve into the cognitive foundations of faith, evolutionary perspectives on religion, and its historical and societal roles. The discussion covers the adaptive nature of belief, religious diversity, and the impact of religion on personal and social well-being. They also consider the future of belief systems and potential alternatives to traditional religion.

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show. The Michael Sherber Show Will, nice to see you. Where are you? You're in England, right? I am, yeah, I'm in West London right now. Thank you so much for having me.

0:31.0

What are you doing there? How did you get, What's your journey? Give us your your story.

0:35.8

Your origin story. How far back should we start on this I guess? I grew up in Colorado up in the mountains.

0:41.8

Did my undergrad at the University of Denver, grad school at the University of

0:47.3

of British Columbia in Vancouver up in Canada, and then I spent seven years at the University of Kentucky as an assistant and then associate

0:57.8

prof and then ended up over here switch jobs a few years back and at Brunel University London in the Center for Culture and

1:05.7

Evolution which is like a really cool interdisciplinary group of a dozen to 15 of us culture and evolution

1:11.9

nerds. I forgot to introduce your new book the

1:16.0

recent year on here. Disbelief the origin of atheism in a religious

1:22.4

species.

1:23.0

By the way, I love that cover because of the abandoned church.

1:26.1

Abandoned churches really are gorgeous though, aren't they?

1:28.6

They do kind of give that ambience of ancient wisdom or something, deep history.

1:34.0

There is something about it. They have a certain mystique and aura to them. I love them.

1:38.0

Yeah, my wife's from Cologne, Germany, so every time we go, we go to the dome there.

1:42.0

And it is magnificent I mean like

1:44.2

you I'm an atheist but I get chills going in there it's I don't know there's something

1:48.3

about the air the temperature the light through the stained glass windows the

1:52.2

Oregon those candles I don't know they

1:54.6

figured it out a long time ago it had to really move people yeah absolutely and I

1:58.8

especially like kind of the older churches where you can like smell the antiquity on them.

2:04.3

The last chapter in the book I wrote and it takes place in a nice old church in

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