Hey everyone, it's Omna Navaz. Welcome to our PBS podcast, Settle In. So it's the start of a new year. A lot of you probably set some New Year's resolutions, and I know a lot of you can feel frustrated when they end up falling by the wayside. Well, today we're going to talk to somebody who's going to help you stick to them. We're going to talk to a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, an author whose seminal

book called The Power of Habit helps you to change your habits and keep good ones. His name is

Charles Duhigg. His book has sold millions of copies worldwide. We talked about how to change your

habits, the science of small wins, and how you can set reachable goals.

We talked about how to get back on track when you fall off. And we also talked about his most

recent book, which is called Super Communicators, and how you can have great conversations. So

settle in and enjoy what I think is a great conversation with author Charles Duhigg.

Charles Duhigg, welcome to settle in. Thanks so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

So we are talking at the beginning of this year, a time a lot of people are making resolutions, trying to set new habits.

You know a lot about this from the book that most people know you from, which was the power

of habit. You have another book I want to talk about called Super Communicators, which is your

most recent book, and we will talk about this. But I want to jump into this book first, the power of habit,

because when you step back for a second, it sold more than 3 million copies, right?

Spent years on the best sellers list. Did that surprise you? Why do you think it resonated so

much with people? I should explain why I wrote

this book, which is that when I wrote it, I basically was having trouble controlling my own habits.

I was working in as a reporter at the New York Times. I had won fancy awards. And I thought to

myself, if I'm so smart and talented, why can't I get myself to wake up and go

running in the morning? Why can't I resist eating a donut when I pass the break room? And so I thought

to myself, okay, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to write a book about the science of habits

because that way I can call up habit experts and I can say, you know, if I've got this friend who has

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